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Células islamistas en Norteamérica

Mensaje por Esteban » Mar May 08, 2007 10:02 pm

Abro este tema para tratar de la actividad de células islamistas en los países norteamericanos, si os parece excluyendo el 11S que tiene su propio espacio debido a su importancia y por haber sido el golpe maestro del núcleo duro de al Qaeda contra los EEUU.

Para abrir espacio, traigo una noticia que está apareciendo en los EEUU, de seis individuos, al parecer de nacionalidad albanesa o albanokosovar, jordana y turca, que habrían conspirado para atacar con armas automáticas y granadas una base de instrucción de reservistas (Fort Dix, en New Jersey. De hecho, habría vídeos con sus prácticas de tiro.

Fort Dix Murder Plot Foiled
Associated Press | May 08, 2007
FORT DIX, New Jersey - Six Islamic militants from the former Yugoslavia and the Middle East were arrested on charges of plotting to attack the Fort Dix Army post and "kill as many soldiers as possible," authorities said Tuesday.

In conversations secretly recorded by an FBI informant over the past year, the men talked about killing in the name of Allah and attacking U.S. warships that might dock in Philadelphia, according an FBI criminal complaint.

"This was a serious plot put together by people who were intent on harming Americans," U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said Tuesday. "We're very gratified federal law enforcement was able to catch these people before they acted and took innocent life."

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Mensaje por kilo009 » Mié May 09, 2007 12:38 am

Había un infiltrado del FBI, al que los acusados acudieron para comprar armas.

Los tipos ya tienen nombre:

-Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, Jordania y ciudadano estadounidense,
-Serdar Tatar, Turquía y con residencia legal en EEUU.
-Agron Abdullahu, ex Yugoslavia, residente legal
-Eljvir Duka, Shain Duka y Dritan Duka, ex Yugoslavia, hermanos y residentes ilegales en EEUU.

Sus objetivos, además de Fort Dix, eran:

-Fort Monmouth, en Nueva Jersey
-BA de Dover (Delaware),
-un edificio de la Guardia Costera en Filadelfia
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Mensaje por Esteban » Mié May 09, 2007 12:46 am

Es curioso que en su día Fort Dix sirvió para acoger refugiados albanokosovares...cosas de Clinton y su clarividencia apoyando a los del UCK.
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Mensaje por pagano » Mié May 09, 2007 8:00 am

Son 6 los detenidos:
- 4 de origen yugoslavo,
- 1 jordano,
- 1 turco.
Se les localizó cuando llevaron un vídeo a una tienda para pasarlo a DVD y el comercial, al visionarlo en lu laboratorio se quedó con la copla y avisó al FBI.
Los terroristas fueron detenidos cuando estaban comprando el armamento para cometer el atentado.

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El 25 % de los musulmanes asentados en occidente apoya ataques suicidas

Según recoge el New Herald, uno de cada cuatro musulmanes estadounidenses consideran que los ataques suicidas para defender la religión son aceptables, al menos en ciertas circunstancias

Así lo revela una encuesta del centro Pew. No obstante, la mayoría de personas de este grupo rechazan esa táctica, y se muestran críticos con el extremismo islámico y al-Qaida, agrega el sondeo. En su estudio, el Centro de Investigación Pew para la Gente y la Prensa descubre a una comunidad que se fusiona cómodamente con la sociedad. La gran mayoría de sus miembros se manifiesta tan contenta con sus vidas como el estadounidense en general, muestran una voluntad para adaptarse a la cultura estadounidense y tienen ingresos y una educación similar a otras personas que viven en Estados Unidos. Pese a ello la encuesta reveló notables bolsas de descontento.

Un 80% de los encuestados dijo que los ataques suicidas para defender el islamismo son injustificables, pero el 13% los defiende.Dicho sentimiento es más pronunciado entre los menores de 30. Un 2% los justifica con frecuencia, un 13% los apoya de vez en cuando y un 11% rara vez. "Es un número para poner los pelos de punta", dijo Radwan Masmoudi, presidente del Centro para el Estudio del Islam y la Democracia.

Dijo que la mayoría de los que mostraron apoyo lo hacen bajo un contexto de lucha contra la ocupación, un término normalmente utilizado por los musulmanes para describir el conflicto con Israel. Los musulmanes estadounidenses tienen un creciente acceso a ideologías extremas a la internet y televisión, dijo. "La gente, en especial los más jóvenes, es susceptible a esas ideas".

Los agentes federales han advertido que Estados Unidos deben estar alerta ante el terrorismo nacional, el mismo que sacudió a Inglaterra en el 2005, con los ataques en Londres. El Pew señaló que en este país los musulmanes estadounidenses toleran menos los ataques suicidas que en otras naciones. En algunas naciones el apoyo es de más del 50% y en países como Francia uno de cada tres lo justifican. En España y Gran Bretaña el número es igual que en Estados Unidos.

"Al igual que en otras religiones, nosotros tenemos dementes", dijo Eide Alawan, director del Centro Islámico para Estados Unidos. El director del Pew, Andrew Kohut, dijo que el apoyo a los ataques es "uno de los pocos puntos problemáticos" en el sondeo. La encuesta estima que hay 2,35 millones de musulmanes estadounidenses en el país. Entre los adultos, determinó que dos tercios son extranjeros mientras que un quinto nacieron en Estados Unidos.
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4 arrestados por planear un ataque terrorista al aeropuerto JFK. Al parecer tenían la complicidad de algún trabajador, y al menos uno podría ser de origen caribeño.

4 Charged In Plot To Blow Up Jet Fuel At JFK
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POSTED: 10:45 am EDT June 2, 2007
UPDATED: 11:54 am EDT June 2, 2007


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NEW YORK -- According to NewsChannel4's Jonathan Dienst, sources said federal investigators have made arrests in an alleged terror plot on Kennedy Airport. Four people have been charged. One is in custody in New York. Three suspects are thought to be overseas.

Sources said one suspect is thought to be a former parliament or government official in Guyana. Sources said the plot involved a plan to blow up a jet-fuel pipeline at JFK setting off a potential massive explosion.

Law enforcement officials said the plot may involve a former airport worker.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/detai ... =mainclick


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4 Charged in Plot to Bomb Kennedy Airport
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
Federal agents and New York City police said today that four people have been charged with conspiring to bomb Kennedy International Airport.

The plot involved a former airport worker in his 60s, who is a United States citizen of Guyanese descent and lives in New York, and a former member of the Guyanese parliament, who is also an imam. Both men, along with one other, are in custody, law enforcement officials said today.

Authorities are seeking the fourth man.

If convicted, the men could face a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Two senior law enforcement officials said that there was no imminent threat to the airport and that the men had yet to obtain any explosives. They had conducted surveillance and the former airport worker had made several trips to Guyana and one trip to Trinidad to try to get support for the plot.

The airport worker sought the support of a group in Trinidad

While it does not appear that they were close to achieving their goal, law enforcement officials said, their ambition was to detonate fuel tanks at the airport, thereby exploding fuel pipes running beneath the terminals.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation scheduled a news conference for 1 p.m.

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Mensaje por Esteban » Sab Jun 02, 2007 8:59 pm

A los conspiradores de esta trama se les relaciona con un grupo yihadista que opera en las bahamas

Jamaat-al-Muslimeen (JAM) is a Trinidad & Tobago homegrown political/Muslim organization that was involved in a bloody (by Caribbean standards) coup attempt in 1990 that resulted in the death of 19 people. The leader, Abu Bakr, is still in T&T and is somewhat of a hot potato politically. He is known to spew some wild allegations and poses more of a threat to T&T via kidnappings and robberies than terrorist acts. He once claimed to have a nuclear device on the north end of T&T. Bakr (whose real name escapes me now) still appears in T&T news trying to enter the political arena. He has been linked to several deaths and kidnappings of former JAM members, some of whom have split from JAM and formed a spin off movement against Abu Bakr.
Many JAM members fled to Brooklyn in 1990 and started their own narcotics organizations when the coup failed. Obviously their adherence to Islam did not outweigh their greed. I always thought they were more of a gang then a dedicated extremist organization. Despite what maybe stated in today's news, they do not have obvious direct links to al-Qeada. The only link maybe Adnan El-Shukri-Jumah, al-Qaeda's operative who had distinct links to T&T and Guyana and may have been assisted by JAM members.

Guyana and Haiti have a significant extremist element with a particular Haitian Muslim having links to an Iranian backed cleric linked to the Tri-border area in South America.

JAM is not al-Qaeda, but should be watched closely, which the NY-JTTF does.


Se teme que estos terroristas tuvieran conexiones con un integrante de la red al Qaeda al que se le ha relacionado con actividades en Trinidad y Tobago.

FBI Feared JFK Plotters Linked to Top Terrorist
June 02, 2007 12:51 PM

Brian Ross and Richard Esposito Report:

FBI agents feared but never confirmed the three men accused of plotting to attack John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York were linked to one of the most wanted al Qaeda leaders, Adnan Shukrijumah, known to have operated out of Guyana and Trinidad.

Officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com that they heard repeated references to "Adnan" during the extensive wiretaps conducted on the suspects' telephone conversations, including calls to Guyana and Trinidad.

There is a $5 million reward for information on Shukrijumah, who officials consider extremely dangerous because of the years he spent living in the Miami area and his known ties to al Qaeda. Some of the 9/ll hijackers attended a south Florida mosque run by Shukrijumah's now deceased father.

Shukrijumah left the United States just a few months before September 2001.

A FBI spokesperson in Miami said the squad assigned to track Shukrijumah was aware of the case but that "no connection" to the wanted al Qaeda suspect was found in the JFK case.

The spokesperson said the best available information is that Shukrijumah is with top al Qaeda leaders along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

Authorities in New York today announced arrests in the ongoing counterterror investigation of a plot to blow up the jet fuel pipeline that runs through JFK Airport, officials said.

The plot, authorities stress, was not at an operational stage, and the plotters, who included a former airport employee, had no ability to execute it.

The investigation, which appears to have been ongoing for at least two years, was brought to a conclusion when one suspect was about to leave jurisdictions where U.S. authorities had the ability to monitor his activities.

Sources said the plotters had "indirect" links to overseas terror elements, and the plot had links to Guyana, Trinidad and possibly Germany.

Vic Walter contributed to this report.


Hay un interesante perfil de Shukrijumah publicado en LATimes en 2006; está accesible en esta dirección
http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-re ... ijumah.doc
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Mensaje por Esteban » Dom Jun 03, 2007 1:32 pm

Como en otros muchos complots terroristas de células yihadistas en territorio extranjero, el plan fue descubierto cuando los aspirantes a megacriminales entraron en contacto a través de los círculos de la delincuencia habitual para buscar apoyo o financiación, con un confidente de la policía. Al contrario que en el 11M, aquí la policía si que supo aprovechar el potencial de su confidente.

Tip from drug trafficker

Authorities were tipped to the plot by a confidential informant, a convicted drug trafficker who has been working with law enforcement since 2004, according to the complaint. Defreitas had mentioned in conversations with the informant in Brooklyn last August that he had a "vision" of something that would dwarf the 9/11 attacks, the complaint says, and invited the source to join the plotters.

"Even the twin towers can't touch it," Defreitas allegedly said in comparing the Sept. 11 to the airport plot.


Cronología de la conspiración disponible en http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2950
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Mensaje por Esteban » Mar Jun 05, 2007 6:49 pm

La conexión caribeña ya había sido señalada en 2005 por la Fundación Jamestown

Al-Qaeda’s Inroads into the Caribbean

By Chris Zambelis

Security threats emanating from the Caribbean Basin typically revolve around its position as a key trans-shipment point for South American narcotics to the United States and Europe, as well as illegal immigration, money laundering, and other forms of banking and document fraud. Indeed, organized criminal networks from as far away as Western and Eastern Europe, Russia, and Asia, in addition to U.S. and South American organizations, have a formidable presence in the region.

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, however, many observers began to look at the region’s potential as a base of operations for radical Islamist terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda to stage attacks against the U.S. and its interests in the Western Hemisphere. Upon cursory examination, the region’s geographic proximity to the U.S., porous borders, widespread poverty and endemic corruption, energy reserves, not to mention the tens of thousands of Americans and Europeans who vacation there at any given time of the year, make it an attractive target.

The potential threat of al-Qaeda using the Caribbean Basin as a base of operations came to the fore when allegations circulated that Adnan G. El-Shukrijumah, a known al-Qaeda operative, was reportedly spotted in Honduras in June 2004. Despite a lack of hard evidence, U.S. and regional security officials believe that Shukrijumah’s alleged presence in the region stemmed from an al-Qaeda plot to link up with Central American gangs such as Mara Salvatrucha (MS) and Mara 18th Street (M18). U.S. Panamanian officials reported that Shukrijumah was in Panama as early as April 2001, possibly surveying high-value targets such as the Panama Canal, after which it is alleged he visited several neighboring countries [1]. Trinidadian sources go a step further and tie Shukrijumah to the Darul Uloom, an Islamic institute in Trinidad, and claim he may have infiltrated Central America via Trinidad and Tobago with a Trinidadian, Guyanese, or Canadian passport [2].

The July 2004 arrest of Ashraf Ahmad Abdullah, an Egyptian man, at Miami International Airport for running a prolific smuggling ring from his home base in Guatemala for Egyptians and other Arabs seeking entry into the United States, did raise alarm bells for good reason. Although Abdullah has not been tied to al-Qaeda or terrorism, but is instead believed to have been interested solely in profit, the relative ease with which he was able to smuggle illegal migrants originating from countries of “special interest” into the U.S. via Latin America and the Caribbean Basin highlights the vulnerability of the U.S. underbelly [3]. It is difficult to gauge whether terrorist networks deployed operatives to the U.S. through Abdullah’s network without his knowledge.

Islam in the Caribbean Basin

The region’s small Muslim population is comprised mostly of South and Southeast Asians with deep roots stemming back to the Colonial period, as well as Arabs. The region has also experienced an increase of migrants from the Middle East in recent decades. Some of the largest Muslim communities are found in Guyana, Suriname, and Trinidad and Tobago. Adherence to Islam varies dramatically from country to country. In general, it reflects the diverse ethnic and cultural traditions that comprise the region and is often infused with distinctly “Caribbean” features. This is best evidenced by the Shi’a Muharram rituals known locally as Hosay, (derived from the regional transliteration of Husayn) performed by East Indian Shi’a Muslims in Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana, Suriname, and Jamaica, that commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Husayn.

Recent Arab migrants from the Middle East tend to be more pious and traditional relative to their second and third generation Arab and Muslim counterparts. Moreover, there are a growing number of locals converting to Islam, especially among impoverished minorities such as the indigenous peoples of the Mexican state of Chiapas and marginalized populations of African descent in the Caribbean islands.

Most Muslim converts embrace Islam for purely spiritual reasons and do not harbor any inclination towards political or religious extremism. Many see Islam as a rite of empowerment in societies where they are underserved and experience discrimination. Nevertheless, there is a concern that al-Qaeda is targeting these groups for recruitment due to their perceived ability to travel and blend into Western cities more effectively.

Spotlight on Trinidad and Tobago

U.S. and regional security sources point to the activities of a number of obscure organizations based in oil- and natural gas-rich Trinidad and Tobago as evidence of the Caribbean Basin’s potential to spawn homegrown radical Islamist organizations [4].

The Jammat al-Muslimeen (Muslim Group) is Trinidad and Tobago’s most notorious Muslim organization. Although Trinidad’s ethnically and religiously diverse population, split roughly between descendants of African slaves and indentured servants from India and a sizable “mixed” community, includes Sunni and Shi’a Muslim immigrants from South Asia and the Middle East, the Jammat is known almost exclusively as a Black Sunni Muslim organization comprised mainly of Afro-Trinidadian converts to Islam. The group is led by Imam Yasin Abu Bakr, a former police officer who was born Lenox Philip. The Jammat is best known for its violent 1990 attempt to overthrow the Trinidadian government over grievances related to land ownership, social and economic inequality, and government corruption [5].

On July 27, 1990, Abu Bakr, along with leading Jammat figures Bilaal Abdullah and Maulana Hasan Anyabwile, led over 100 members of the group in storming Trinidad’s Red House (National Parliament), taking Prime Minister A.N.R. Robinson and most of his cabinet captive. The group also took over Trinidad and Tobago Television, then the country’s only television network, and the Trinidad Broadcasting Company, one of two radio stations. The ensuing standoff lasted for five days while rioting and looting gripped the capital, Port of Spain, leading to scores of deaths and the destruction of millions of dollars worth of property. Abu Bakr surrendered to the authorities after a period of negotiations that allowed the group to escape prosecution [6]. Significantly, many of the weapons used in the failed coup were imported from Florida through Louis Haneef, an Afro-Trinidadian Muslim convert based in the U.S. Haneef spent four years in a U.S. federal prison after being convicted for his role in smuggling the weapons to Trinidad [7].

Many observers attribute the origins of the coup attempt to Trinidad’s history of racially inspired riots and revolutionary social protest movements. Between six and eight percent of Trinidad and Tobago’s population is Muslim, with the Jammat representing a tiny fringe of the community.

U.S. and Trinidadian authorities have kept a close eye on the Jammat’s activities since the 9/11 attacks, but there is no hard evidence tying the group to international terrorism, let alone al-Qaeda. However, Abu Bakr did maintain links with Libya’s Muammar Qadhafi in the 1980s and 90s and considers him a close friend to this day. The Jammat reportedly received funds through Libya’s World Islamic Call Society (WICS) to finance the construction of its main mosque, schools, and a medical center, but there is no evidence linking Tripoli with the failed 1990 coup attempt. Abu Bakr’s most recent publicized links with controversial international figures include Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

In many respects, the Jammat al-Muslimeen’s ideology and rhetoric mirror that of militant Black ethno-nationalist movements, including the most radical fringes of the Nation of Islam. Abu Bakr’s supporters see him as a hero fighting for social justice. Interestingly, although most Trinidadians did not support his 1990 coup attempt, many at the time agreed with the issues raised by the Jammat during the crisis, especially impoverished Afro-Trinidadians. At the same time, the Jammat is seen by many locally as a well organized criminal empire involved in everything from drug smuggling, money laundering, kidnapping for ransom, and extortion, with Abu Bakr running the show [8]. Abu Bakr has since been the target of a series of criminal investigations and indictments for his alleged role in ordering the murders of former Jammat members.

The Waajihatul Islaamiyyah (Islamic Front), headed by Omar Abdullah, himself a Black Muslim convert, has also been identified as a potential threat by U.S. intelligence and Trinidadian authorities. Like the Jammat al-Muslimeen, the Wajithatul Islamiyyah is comprised mostly of Afro-Trinidadian converts to Islam. Local sources allege that Abdullah harbors extremist leanings. The Waajihatul has been accused of publishing material expressing support for al-Qaeda, but Trinidadian authorities have not provided conclusive evidence of any direct links with the group. He is often outspoken in his criticism of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and the Trinidadian government’s policy towards Muslims. Trinidadian authorities also tie Abdullah to local crime and other illicit dealings [9].

The Jamaat al-Murabiteen (Almoravids, after the African Muslim dynasty that ruled Morocco and Spain in the 11th and 12th Century) and the related Jammat al-Islami al-Karibi (Caribbean Islamic Group) are associated with one time Jamaat al-Muslimeen chief of security Maulana Hasan Anyabwile, formerly Beville Marshall. He split with Abu Bakr in 2001 over what Trinidadian sources allege was a personal rift with the group’s leader. Anyabwile hosted a radio show where he was known to criticize Trinidadian Hindus, Indian Muslims, and his former Jamaat al-Muslimeen associates for their purported failure in improving the lot of Muslims in Trinidad and Tobago. Local sources also allege that he is an extremist [10].

Anyabwile was shot and critically wounded in 2002 by an unknown attacker in what many believe was part of a larger turf war between rival Muslim activists, most likely the Jammat al-Muslimeen. Now a paraplegic, Anyabwile continues to fear for his life, but remains an outspoken critic of Abu Bakr [11].

Conclusion

The Caribbean Basin will remain a region of concern in the war on terrorism. Despite a lack of hard evidence to date, international terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda in theory can potentially feed off of the institutional weakness, political and economic instability, poverty, and lawlessness that characterize the Caribbean Basin to further their aims. But as the case of Trinidad and Tobago demonstrates, the mere presence of Islamist activist groups (or Muslims in general) does not necessarily equate to links to al-Qaeda. Therefore, in addressing the threat (or perceived threat) of radical Islam in the region effectively, it is imperative that policymakers consider the nexus between deep-seated social, political, and economic grievances and international terrorism, and not simply settle for shortsighted solutions.

Notes
1. Mario D. Courteous Camarillo, “Al Qaeda busca reclutas entre polleros de México y Maras entroamericanos,” La Cronica de Hoy (Mexico), September 9, 2004 and “Sospechoso de terrorismo estuvo de paso en Panamá, La Prensa (Nicaragua), May 27, 2004.
2. Curtis Williams, “Special Branch in Terrorist Hunt,” Trinidad & Tobago Express, May 28, 2004.
3. See “ICE Gets Special Interest Smuggler,” Inside ICE, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Volume 1, Issue 7, July 19, 2004.
4. Ucill Cambridge, “Muslim Watch,” Trinidad & Tobago Express, March 9, 2004.
5. Walter C. Soderlund, “The Jamaat al-Muslimeen Coup in Trinidad and Tobago, 1990,” in Mass Media and Foreign Policy : Post-Cold War Crises in the Caribbean (Connecticut: Praeger, 2003).
6. Ibid. For a recent interview with Bilal Abdullah, see B.C. Pires, “The Saudis are Islam’s Amish,” Trinidad & Tobago Express, November 14, 2004.
7. Camini Marajh, “U.S. on Jammat Trail,” Trinidad & Tobago Express, August 15, 2004.
8. Camini Marajh, “Bakr’s Empire: Muslimeen Leader’s Million-Dollar Properties,” Trinidad & Tobago Express, August 8, 2004.
9. Darryl Hertaal, “Abdullah Unmasked,” Trinidad & Tobago Express, December 2, 2002.
10. S. Edwards, “Ex-Muslimeen Hasan Anyabwile shot four times,” TriniView, July 22, 2002.
11. Gail Alexander, “Ex-Jamaat Seeks Asylum in U.K.,” The Trinidad Guardian, July 27, 2004.
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Re: Células islamistas en Norteamérica

Mensaje por Syriana » Lun Nov 19, 2007 6:17 am

Esteban escribió:Abro este tema para tratar de la actividad de células islamistas en los países norteamericanos, si os parece excluyendo el 11S que tiene su propio espacio debido a su importancia y por haber sido el golpe maestro del núcleo duro de al Qaeda contra los EEUU.

Para abrir espacio, traigo una noticia que está apareciendo en los EEUU, de seis individuos, al parecer de nacionalidad albanesa o albanokosovar, jordana y turca, que habrían conspirado para atacar con armas automáticas y granadas una base de instrucción de reservistas (Fort Dix, en New Jersey. De hecho, habría vídeos con sus prácticas de tiro.

Fort Dix Murder Plot Foiled
Associated Press | May 08, 2007
FORT DIX, New Jersey - Six Islamic militants from the former Yugoslavia and the Middle East were arrested on charges of plotting to attack the Fort Dix Army post and "kill as many soldiers as possible," authorities said Tuesday.

In conversations secretly recorded by an FBI informant over the past year, the men talked about killing in the name of Allah and attacking U.S. warships that might dock in Philadelphia, according an FBI criminal complaint.

"This was a serious plot put together by people who were intent on harming Americans," U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said Tuesday. "We're very gratified federal law enforcement was able to catch these people before they acted and took innocent life."

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Ya me cansa esto de Codigos naranja rojo etc, etc, debido a supuestos ataques terroristas.
Cansaron ya, nadie les hace caso. Agobia tanta amenaza sacada de cualquier caso para seguir fomentando una guerra que lo unico que hasta ahora a logrado es lograr que la arena iraki se haya tornado rojiza.

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