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Espía marroquí: Noureddine Ziani Hammou

Publicado: 11 May 2013 12:49
por amtar
http://www.elpuntavui.cat/noticia/artic ... nista.html

Para los que no entendais catalán:
El CNI quiere que se le expulse porque le considera un agente marroquí (de sus SI) y próximo al salafismo.
El diario dice que no es por eso sino porque es un personaje próximo a CIU y sus tésis soberanistas. Porque creó una organización musulmana que ha hecho varias manis al gobierno central,... Vamos, que tiran de victimismo, jeje.

Re: Centro Nacional de Inteligencia (CNI)

Publicado: 12 May 2013 13:33
por Mueca
Información de Ignacio Cembrero

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/201 ... 96338.html

IC hablo en su blog del dinero que recibía este Imán por parte de España: en tres años (hablamos de 2012) 158.700€

Re: Contraespionaje

Publicado: 16 May 2013 18:05
por kilo009
Investigación del CNI, Policía y Mossos. Noureddin Ziani se pira, a no ser que el Tribunal Supremo le de la razón.

El Gobierno ha firmado esta tarde la orden de expulsión contra el ciudadano marroquí afín a Convergència i Unió (CiU), Noureddin Ziani, siguiendo la petición de los responsables del CNI. Los servicios de inteligencia españoles realizaron dicha solicitud la semana pasada tras acusar a Ziani, de haber impulsado el salafismo en España siguiendo instrucciones de los servicios de inteligencia de Marruecos.

En cumplimiento de esas órdenes se le atribuyen contactos con los imames más radicales de Cataluña y con dirigentes salafistas europeos. Según el informe remitido por el CNI al Gobierno, investigado y en colaboración con la Policía y con los Mossos d'Esquadra, este ciudadano recibió "mandatos expresos de los jefes de determinados servicios extranjeros para beneficiar estos servicios en perjuicio de la seguridad nacional".

"Ha favorecido la difusión de ideologías extremistas religiosas". Para este dossier fueron documentados encuentros con los imames salafistas de Reus, Tabdelamid Elayad, de Salt, Rachid Menda y con Houzi, la autoridad religiosa que encabezaba las listas de radicales de las Fuerzas de Seguridad.

Ziani se movió con habilidad en los aledaños del poder, en concreto de CiU a través de la organización Nous Ciutatans. Respaldó la candidatura de Mas en las pasadas elecciones catalanas.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/05/1 ... 17827.html

Expulsión de Noureddine Ziani

Publicado: 17 May 2013 14:02
por Jose Luis Mansilla
En el blog de Time Worl , Lisa Abend publica un articulo analizando ciertos puntos de los motivos de la expulsión de Noureddine Ziani , desde un punto de vista mas neutral de lo que se esta publicado en España. No se cual será su pecado realmente pero el que apuntan de Salafista , no lo tengo muy claro de alguien que tiene en su Facebook un 40% de amigas y la mayoria sin velo.

By Lisa Abend May 17, 2013

Chairman of the Union of Islamic Cultural Centers of Catalonia, Moroccan Noureddin Ziani, delivers his speech during the opening of a course in Imam training organized by Nous Catalans Foundation, in Barcelona,May 14, 2013.

Chairman of the Union of Islamic Cultural Centers of Catalonia, Moroccan Noureddin Ziani, delivers his speech during the opening of a course in Imam training organized by Nous Catalans Foundation, in Barcelona,May 14, 2013.

Is he a spy or a sovereigntist? At approximately 7 p.m. this evening, Barcelona police arrested a Moroccan-born man named Noureddine Ziani and informed him that he was being deported from Spain, the country where he has legally lived and worked for the past 14 years. Citing a “threat to national security,” Spain’s Center for National Intelligence (CNI) made the request for expulsion on May 3; it was approved earlier today by the Spanish interior ministry. The CNI report specifies that Ziani has both collaborated with the intelligence service of a foreign government and has links to Islamist extremists. But Ziani’s supporters, who learned of his troubles earlier this week, suspect that the real motivation for his deportation lies a lot closer to home: for the past year, the 45-year-old businessman and religious leader has worked as liaison to the Muslim community for an organization that promotes independence for the semi-autonomous region of Catalonia from Spain. Whichever allegation proves to be true, Ziani’s case offers an intriguing view of the gathering storm over Catalan independence. Although Catalans have long held a distinct cultural and historical identity from Spaniards, political conflict with the central state came to a head in the fall of 2012 when the regional government responded to intensifying conflicts over issues like taxes and language by initiating a process that it says will lead to a referendum on independence. Although such a vote is illegal under the Spanish constitution, many believe that if the Catalans gain enough moral support for a referendum Spain will be forced to permit it. Which is exactly where Ziani comes in.

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Ziani is director of the Catalan-Moroccan outreach program at the New Catalans Foundation. Created in 2012 by Democratic Convergence of Catalonia (a political party included in the ruling Convergence and Union coalition that is leading the push for a referendum), the foundation helps immigrants—including those from Latin America, Asia, and Eastern European—integrate into Catalan society. To that end, it offers language instruction and assistance with legal and social issues. But one of its main functions is to educate newcomers about the region’s push for independence. “We want new Catalans to understand the benefits of sovereignty,” says foundation director Angel Colom. Together, he and Ziani have given talks on the subject at mosques throughout the region.

None of that is mentioned in the expulsion demand. “The person in question has, through his activities, favored the objectives of a foreign intelligence service working in Spanish territory against the interests of the Spanish state,” reads the warrant notifying Ziani that deportation proceedings had begun against him. Although the document does not name the foreign entity, other references make it clear that Ziani is being accused of collaborating with Moroccan intelligence. It also accuses him of working to spread “religiously extremist ideologies.” According to the warrant, the demand for expulsion comes after an investigation that began in the year 2000. A government spokesperson told Time it was policy not to comment on an ongoing case.

Ziani denies the charges, and says that although it is true that he attended meetings with Muslim leaders whose religious views were more extreme than his, these were always at the behest of municipal governments who had sought his help mediating local conflicts. “My entire career trajectory, everything I’ve worked for, has always been about the opposite of extremism. I’ve always worked for integration and social harmony,” he said in a telephone interview yesterday. His lawyer, Fátima Zohra Bouhya, says that the CNI expulsion demand presents no evidence for its allegations. “If they want to affirm that Mr. Ziani works or collaborates with a foreign intelligence agency, they have to show it,” she says. “If they want to add that he disseminates radical Islam, they have to show that too. We can’t deny things we don’t know about. We can’t defend him against non-existent evidence.”

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Ziani may be mystified by the charges, but other supporters of independence are not. On Wednesday, Alfred Bosch, a member of parliament from the Catalan Republican Left Party (ERC), told Spanish television he saw “indications of a dirty war against Catalan sovereignty movement” in the Ziani case, and activist Abdelhaq Diyer started an online petition requesting that the deportation process be stopped and “the majority will of the people of Catalonia to decide their own future” be respected. At the new Catalans Foundation, Ziani’s boss Angel Colom, who is also Secretary of Immigration for CiU, agrees. “I don’t think there’s any question that this is politically motivated. It’s not the first time that the Spanish government has gone after supporters of Catalan sovereignty.”

Colom was referring to an incident that occurred just before last fall’s snap regional elections, which were called to judge support for pursuing a referendum. A draft of an anonymous police report mysteriously surfaced in El Mundo Newspaper, suggesting that Catalan president Artur Mas was being investigated for financial misdeeds (the accusations proved to be false though not before the Popular Party, which controls the Spanish government and fiercely opposes catalan independence, called for Mas to sign a statement swearing he had no money secreted away in offshore accounts).

While interior minister Jorge Fernandez Diaz affirmed in a statement to the press on Wednesday that the pending expulsion “had nothing to do with [Ziani's] activities in favor of independence,” the suggestion by pro-independence activists that such a motivation may be in play does underline their growing awareness that the region’s sizable immigrant population could be a spoiler in any future decision. When Quebec held its last referendum on independence in 1995, 90% of the recently-nationalized immigrants who voted opposed separating from Canada. That statistic weighs heavily on the minds of pro-independence organizers in Catalonia, who know that people who have recently won Spanish nationality—300,000 have done so in the last decade–may be loathe to lose it.

According to Hermes Castro, even those who are not yet citizens may play an important role. Chief administrator of Fedelatina, a consortium of Latin American immigrant groups, he helps run an association that is not affiliated with any political party, although it does receive a small subsidy from the regional government for its language and vocational training courses. “Latin Americans tend to be more politically active than Europeans—they turn up at rallies, they join parties,” Castro says. “And many of them have a certain affinity for independence. At first they may not understand what’s happening here, but then they say, ‘Oh, they want to break from Spain, just like we did 200 years ago.’ So for the political parties here, we’re starting to have a certain degree of relevance.”

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That relevance may help explain why Ramon Tremosa, member of the European Parliament for CiU, denounced the deportation demand before the European Commission on May 13 and asked it to look into whether Ziani’s human rights had been violated. “I don’t know Mr. Ziani, but I find it very strange that he would be deported for being a security threat,” says Tremosa. “There have been several imams and Muslim leaders in Catalonia who publicly reject Western values and threaten social harmony, and yet no one is deporting them. Ziani is fully Westernized and integrated into Catalan society, he goes around giving talks in favor of democratic values, and now he’s being expelled? I have a bad feeling about that.”

Tremosa also points out an apparent contradiction in the document: its allegation that Ziani works both for Moroccan intelligence and to promote Salafist ideas. “It seems very curious,” he says. “The Moroccan government is opposed to Salafism, it does everything it can to crack down on extremism. So how can he be doing both?”

Mr. Ziani’s lawyer was not informed of the arrest and has yet to see the expulsion edict. “I only learned what had happened after calling the police repeatedly,” she says. “They finally confirmed it as if they were doing me a favor.” Legally, the Spanish authorities are not obliged to notify her; in many deportation cases, the defendant’s lawyer only learns of the expulsion when the defendant is getting on the plane.

Even after receiving word of the expulsion request on May 3, Ziani continued to work on behalf of Moroccan immigrants in Catalonia. This week he helped launch a course designed to train imams living in the region in local practices and values. But yesterday he admitted that the case against him has shaken his faith in his adopted country. “Is it a crime for an immigrant to involve himself in Catalonia’s political process?,” he asks. “Is it a crime for him to feel Catalan? If that’s democracy, I don’t want it.”

http://world.time.com/2013/05/17/spain- ... nce/print/

Re: Caso Noureddin Ziani

Publicado: 17 May 2013 17:01
por amtar
Solo podemos especular, ya que no conocemos los entresijos del tema, pero, desde mi punto de vista, lo resumiría de la siguiente manera:

Se le expulsa por ser un agente marroquí y por estar dando cobertura al soberanismo.
Lo de salafista es secundario, por lo que se comenta y porque se sabe de algunos imanes en cataluña que han ido mucho más allá que éste.
Es un mensaje a Marruecos (se está metiendo en temas demasiado "personales para España" con el soberanismo -lo de tener un agente en bcn es, por así decirlo, lógico pues siempre quieren controlar los centros religiosos y a la "oposición al régimen" marroquí-)
Es un mensaje a los soberanistas
Es un mensaje a las asociaciones de inmigrantes residentes en nuestro país.

Será bueno ver la reacción de Marruecos. Si son inteligentes, no pasará nada y no tomarán represalias. Si lo hacen, abren la puerta para que empecemos a dar cobertura al independetismo rifeño y, sobretodo, del sáhara.

Re: Caso Noureddin Ziani

Publicado: 17 May 2013 18:10
por Jose Luis Mansilla
Tienes razón Amtar. Aun sabemos poco de los entresijos , que me imagino que poco a poco irán desvelándose.

La verdad es que si realmente es salafista y separatista no lo van a recibir bien en Marruecos .

En la prensa marroquí ya dicen abiertamente que han expulsado a un agente del DGED.

De lo que tampoco se comenta nada en la prensa española y si en la extranjera es de su relación con Angel Colom y que era el presidente de una asociación local, la Unión de Centros Culturales Islámicos de Cataluña, que cuenta con unas 75 mezquitas, y también era presidente de la zona catalán-marroquí de la fundacion Nous Catalans, dirigida por Ángel Colom, líder de Convergencia Democrática de Cataluña ,que parece todo esto ser también motivo para malestar de alguno.

Su mentor, Angel Colom, es cercano a las autoridades marroquíes ya que represento a la Generalitat Catalana en Casablanca hace unos años. A modo de anécdota ,obtuvo en Marruecos un gran logro de las autoridades marroquíes que le concedieron el derecho de hacer champán .(No debió tener en cuenta que es un país musulmán )

El que fuese habitualmente al Consulado de Marruecos en Barcelona, no es nada anormal salvo ​​que esta dirigido por Ghulam Maichane, ex Polisario que representó al movimiento de la independencia en Alemania antes de regenerase y volver a unirse a Marruecos.

Da la impresion de que tanto Ziani como Colom se han desviado de la hoja de ruta en los ultimos tiempos.

Y por otro lado tiene motivos para estar triste ahora que deja de tener ingresos del CNI y perderá estos (Dirhams) del Ministère chargé des Marocains résidant à l’étranger.



Re: Caso Noureddin Ziani

Publicado: 17 May 2013 19:39
por pcaspeq
Me he perdido informacion :shock:
Jose Luis Mansilla escribió:
Y por otro lado tiene motivos para estar triste ahora que deja de tener ingresos del CNI y perderá estos (Dirhams) del Ministère chargé des Marocains résidant à l’étranger.



Re: Caso Noureddin Ziani

Publicado: 18 May 2013 02:26
por Mueca
Creo que donde dice CNI debe poner DGED.

Este es el Facebook del menda /noureddine.hammou

En Twitter: @NouredinneZian2


Re: Caso Noureddin Ziani

Publicado: 18 May 2013 06:54
por Jose Luis Mansilla
Mueca escribió:Creo que donde dice CNI debe poner DGED.

Este es el Facebook del menda /noureddine.hammou

En Twitter: @NouredinneZian2


Perdonad Pcaspeq , Mueca y demás lectores quería decir DGED. Estoy escribiendo desde un ordenador pequeño y la pantalla no me permite ver todo lo escrito .

Gracias y un saludo,

Re: Caso Noureddin Ziani

Publicado: 18 May 2013 08:30
por Jose Luis Mansilla
Porcentaje de noticias vinculadas a Noureddine Ziani en circulo y árbol de espuma.